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		<title>By: GunPundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Your Lies Are Showing Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>GunPundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Your Lies Are Showing Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] still maintain that gun owners should proceed with caution when it comes to open carrying to political events like this, but it sure is nice to see some liars [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] still maintain that gun owners should proceed with caution when it comes to open carrying to political events like this, but it sure is nice to see some liars [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Snowflakes in Hell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Views From Around the Blogosphere</title>
		<link>http://www.gunpundit.com/3393.php/comment-page-1#comment-5240</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowflakes in Hell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Views From Around the Blogosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] covers the story here, and here, largely in agreement with my position.  I also agree with Murdoc&#8217;s assessment of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] covers the story here, and here, largely in agreement with my position.  I also agree with Murdoc&#8217;s assessment of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GunPundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MORE: Guns in Crowds</title>
		<link>http://www.gunpundit.com/3393.php/comment-page-1#comment-5232</link>
		<dc:creator>GunPundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MORE: Guns in Crowds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Guns in the Crowd [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Murdoc</title>
		<link>http://www.gunpundit.com/3393.php/comment-page-1#comment-5231</link>
		<dc:creator>Murdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, I don&#039;t disapprove of the tool. As usual with guns and other tools, it&#039;s the person who I&#039;m not entirely certain about.

Here&#039;s how I see it: 

&lt;b&gt;Best case scenario&lt;/b&gt; is that a few people get a little educated about a few gun laws and a few voters and maybe even a couple of politicians realize that many Americans in general and some gun owners in particular are very serious about today&#039;s issues.

&lt;b&gt;Worst case scenario&lt;/b&gt; is that some nut job or agent provacateur does something very very bad. Very very bad shift in public opinion in the wake of the tragedy is followed by very very bad legislation.

The actual result is likely to be somewhere in between, which means that the upside will be barely noticeable. Sure, points will have been made. Those points will be remember for about three minutes, unless it&#039;s a point good for the anti-gun crowd, in which case the point will be remembered for ever and ever. 

For what it&#039;s worth, I also think it probably wouldn&#039;t be terribly constructive to carry swords, pitchforks, axes, spiked clubs or baseball bats at these events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I don&#8217;t disapprove of the tool. As usual with guns and other tools, it&#8217;s the person who I&#8217;m not entirely certain about.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how I see it: </p>
<p><b>Best case scenario</b> is that a few people get a little educated about a few gun laws and a few voters and maybe even a couple of politicians realize that many Americans in general and some gun owners in particular are very serious about today&#8217;s issues.</p>
<p><b>Worst case scenario</b> is that some nut job or agent provacateur does something very very bad. Very very bad shift in public opinion in the wake of the tragedy is followed by very very bad legislation.</p>
<p>The actual result is likely to be somewhere in between, which means that the upside will be barely noticeable. Sure, points will have been made. Those points will be remember for about three minutes, unless it&#8217;s a point good for the anti-gun crowd, in which case the point will be remembered for ever and ever. </p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I also think it probably wouldn&#8217;t be terribly constructive to carry swords, pitchforks, axes, spiked clubs or baseball bats at these events.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.gunpundit.com/3393.php/comment-page-1#comment-5230</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The gun has become so vilified that people only think bad things if they see you with one. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

With that mindset, you can never win. Ever. When you allow other people to attach THEIR meaning to your words or actions you have no control over your own life.

In this example, the gentleman carrying the AR was no threat. He did not imply that he would start shooting people any more than those carrying a .45 ACP. I have been busting my ASS trying to get people to realize the tool is irrelevant, and here I am arguing with those on my side about someone carrying something &quot;they don&#039;t approve of&quot;.

Imagine if someone was bitching that he was carrying a &#039;high capacity magazine&#039; and there was no need to scare people with such firepower. That is how I&#039;m interpreting the fact that people are poopin&#039; their bloomers over an AR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The gun has become so vilified that people only think bad things if they see you with one. </p></blockquote>
<p>With that mindset, you can never win. Ever. When you allow other people to attach THEIR meaning to your words or actions you have no control over your own life.</p>
<p>In this example, the gentleman carrying the AR was no threat. He did not imply that he would start shooting people any more than those carrying a .45 ACP. I have been busting my ASS trying to get people to realize the tool is irrelevant, and here I am arguing with those on my side about someone carrying something &#8220;they don&#8217;t approve of&#8221;.</p>
<p>Imagine if someone was bitching that he was carrying a &#8216;high capacity magazine&#8217; and there was no need to scare people with such firepower. That is how I&#8217;m interpreting the fact that people are poopin&#8217; their bloomers over an AR.</p>
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		<title>By: Assault weapons and the President &#171; Stuff From Hsoi</title>
		<link>http://www.gunpundit.com/3393.php/comment-page-1#comment-5228</link>
		<dc:creator>Assault weapons and the President &#171; Stuff From Hsoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Murdoc has more. What&#8217;s more interesting is that these folks were not just law-abiding, but coordinated. They [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Murdoc has more. What&#8217;s more interesting is that these folks were not just law-abiding, but coordinated. They [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mjolnir</title>
		<link>http://www.gunpundit.com/3393.php/comment-page-1#comment-5227</link>
		<dc:creator>Mjolnir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point to be made is the Phoenix PD not only provided a liaison officer, but went on the news supporting their rights, as did the mayor of Phoenix. These gentlemen set an example we all should follow. regardless of party. Guns have been vilified because we&#039;ve been silent and allowed it to happen. Doing nothing accomplishes nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point to be made is the Phoenix PD not only provided a liaison officer, but went on the news supporting their rights, as did the mayor of Phoenix. These gentlemen set an example we all should follow. regardless of party. Guns have been vilified because we&#8217;ve been silent and allowed it to happen. Doing nothing accomplishes nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddy A</title>
		<link>http://www.gunpundit.com/3393.php/comment-page-1#comment-5226</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddy A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, I agree with that.  Public awareness is a big issue with open carry.  I live in FL, but if I could open carry, I don&#039;t know if I would and a lot of that has to do with perception.  The gun has become so vilified that people only think bad things if they see you with one.  I don&#039;t think the rallies will change that, but for once, the silent majority is making at least a peep in comparison to the vocal liberal minority and media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, I agree with that.  Public awareness is a big issue with open carry.  I live in FL, but if I could open carry, I don&#8217;t know if I would and a lot of that has to do with perception.  The gun has become so vilified that people only think bad things if they see you with one.  I don&#8217;t think the rallies will change that, but for once, the silent majority is making at least a peep in comparison to the vocal liberal minority and media.</p>
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		<title>By: Murdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Eddy A&lt;/b&gt;: I&#039;m also a fan of the Open Carry rallies, particularly from a public awareness perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Eddy A</b>: I&#8217;m also a fan of the Open Carry rallies, particularly from a public awareness perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddy A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddy A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>me and one of my gun buddies were talking about this today.  I like the open carry rallies going on around the country but I really don&#039;t like anyone associating them with townhalls and such.  1.) it will only be perceived the wrong way and 2.) its a pressure that should NEVER be added to an open discussion forum (contrary to Obama&#039;s beliefs on townhall meetings).  Townhalls are meant to be equal areas of discussion with no intimidation or intervention (e.g.: acorn bussing people in from other cities).  Aside from that, open carry is not even remotely germane to socialized healthcare. And currently, socialized healthcare is something we should definitely be fighting regardless of Obama&#039;s recent words, this can still become a full fledged socialized plan once it hits the floor in congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>me and one of my gun buddies were talking about this today.  I like the open carry rallies going on around the country but I really don&#8217;t like anyone associating them with townhalls and such.  1.) it will only be perceived the wrong way and 2.) its a pressure that should NEVER be added to an open discussion forum (contrary to Obama&#8217;s beliefs on townhall meetings).  Townhalls are meant to be equal areas of discussion with no intimidation or intervention (e.g.: acorn bussing people in from other cities).  Aside from that, open carry is not even remotely germane to socialized healthcare. And currently, socialized healthcare is something we should definitely be fighting regardless of Obama&#8217;s recent words, this can still become a full fledged socialized plan once it hits the floor in congress.</p>
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