Guns on Fort Hood

I’ve had two people say something to the effect of “it’s hard to believe this massacre could happen on an Army base where everyone is a soldier and there are so many guns around,” meaning that lots of people should have been able to defend themselves.

Obviously, these people haven’t spent a lot of time on base.

I don’t know the regs for Fort Hood, but military bases are often pretty “gun free” in the sense that personnel aren’t issued weapons and generally not allowed to carry unless it’s part of their duties. So pretty much just MPs. It’s not like all the 11B infantrymen are walking around in armor with a loaded M4.

I thought I had posted about some new rules a while back that were trying to control personal weapons off base, also, but I can’t find it right now.

Suffice it to say that the personnel on Fort Hood had no real chance to defend themselves against Nidal Malik Hasan, a lifelong Muslim who reportedly gave an “Allahu Akbar!” shout-out before opening fire.

Will we be seeing the Bradys and other anti-gun groups trying to spin this as some sort of evidence that more guns won’t make anyone safer? Probably.

12 thoughts on “Guns on Fort Hood”

  1. Years ago on Hood my POW (privately owned weapon) was stored in the company arms room.

    If I wanted to take it to the range on a Saturday, say, I had to ask the armorer very nicely to come in, open the arms room, sign it out, then come back later, open up again, and sign it back in.

    Hardly a recipe for quick response.

  2. I would maybe be one of the first to jump to the conclusion that this was a “jihad” attack by a Mujahadeen, but this dude was a 15+ year veteran of the army, and a Major at that. I doubt he spent that long merely waiting for a chance to let off a few rounds at an army base. I could be wrong (and would be the first to admit), but i suspect this was just an army psychiatrist who finally had enough. Soldiers come home everyday not being able to process what they saw, and Major Hasan was there, everyday, listening to their stories, for him it would be like having PTSD 100x.

    Now, something a bit scarier, was if this was a planned attack by the government to take the heat off of the health care bill while they passed it in the house. Conspiracy theorists of the world, unite!

  3. David: Hundreds and thousands of specialists have been dealing with troops coming home from the war zone for 8 years. Exactly one of them “finally had enough” and shot up a bunch of fellow soldiers. He’s the one who was shouting “Allahu Akbar” before he did it.

    So this “transferred PTSD” theory is basically a bullshit excuse for a mass murderer. If you’re comfortable being an apologist for that sort of thing, go right ahead.

  4. yeah, people yell allah akbar before lighting folks up all the time, we shouldn’t draw any hasty conclusions – couldn’t have been an issue of religion…

  5. Murdoc: Wow, didn’t expect to get that sort of response, nor did i in any way submit PTSD as an excuse for the killing of 13 people and the injury of 30, it was merely conjecture as to why. On top of ALL of this, no one has come out and said that they directly heard him say allah ackbar, they just thought they heard it (

    Also, the biggest bullshit excuse is saying that just because he was muslim means that he did it for religious reasons.

    Point being, you can slam me for conjecture, but in the end, they still need to fry the bastard.

  6. Yes, we don’t have all the facts, and even if we did we wouldn’t know with absolute certainty what was going on in his head. However, it appears that this was pre-meditated act and more and more troubling signs are surfacing which nearly all point to religious motives. The fact remains that no one else who is dealing with war vets has done this.

    Soldier Keara Bono said she directly heard the shooter praising Allah before he opened fire. As more info comes out, this claim seems to be accurate. Link.

    I don’t think anyone is saying he did it “just because he was muslim “. Most Muslims aren’t doing this. It appears very possible that he did it because he is a fanatically militant Muslim, though, and a treasonous American.

    Finally, if I misunderstood your what you were getting at concerning PTSD, my apologies. A lot of people seem to be claiming that PTSD is a likely cause for what he did. Which I find to be pathetic.

  7. You are correct, it is sounding more and more like it was premeditated and as i stated originally, i will be the first to admit i was wrong. I also trust the memory of those soldiers trained to think clearly in situations that would make me curl up into a ball and cry for mommy.

    You are also correct in stating that we have not heard of psychiatrists dealing with war vets doing the same thing, nor do i expect we ever will.

    Too many people have jumped (people i know) to the conclusion that simply because he was Muslim, he was committing jihad. This thinking has become standard protocol whenever this sort of thing happens and it makes us look like biased assholes. Now, while we want to avoid being biased assholes, if the shoe fits, wear it.

    There was a misunderstanding, but most likely due to lack of clarity in my writing. If people want to hold his hand and wipe his ass by blaming it on PTSD then doom on them.

    Thats all ive got to say about this.

  8. The individual who thinks that ARMY Fort’s are covered with firearms
    because it is a military run operation is truly clueless that just isn’t true! Firearms are strictly controlled with very stodgy, conservative rules on the who, what, when, OR where surrounding the use of guns.

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