‘Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms’ should be a convenience store…

ATF throwing Adventure Outdoors under the bus

Ahab on the battle of Adventure Outdoors vs. the ATF vs. New York City:

Earlier in the year, Adventure Outdoors had subpoenaed three BATFE agents to be deposed in regards to the case pending against Adventure Outdoors. After the initial subpoenas were withdrawn, the BATFE “agreed” to allow the agents to be deposed in written question – now BATFE is going back on that agreement and has filed motions to exempt the agents from their written depositions.

Why is the ATF going back on the agreement? Well, in short, they say that if they have to submit to depositions in this case, they might have to submit in depositions in other cases as well. And, besides, they’ve determined that the burden providing those depositions “outweighs any benefit to Adventure Outdoors.”

If I get called on to provide information in a legal case, can I ‘just say no’ to set a precedent excusing me from any future calls? Can I say that my time is more valuable than serving justice is to those involved in the case?

What freaking planet is the ATF from where this makes any sort of sense?

Go read the whole thing.

Killing Dogs in Michigan

Pit Bull

Another interesting one from the MCRGO newsletter:

Q: What are the deadly force rules for defending myself against a dog?

A: Since a dog is not a human being, the rules of “deadly force” as such do not apply. However, there is a Michigan statute on point, MCL 287.279 (The Dog Law of 1919, as amended), which states:

“Any person including a law enforcement officer may kill any dog which he sees in the act of pursuing, worrying, or wounding any livestock or poultry or attacking persons, and there shall be no liability on such person in damages or otherwise, for such killing. Any dog that enters any field or enclosure which is owned by or leased by a person producing livestock or poultry, outside of a city, unaccompanied by his owner or his owner’s agent, shall constitute a trespass, and the owner shall be liable in damages. Except as provided in this section, it shall be unlawful for any person, other than a law enforcement officer, to kill or injure or attempt to kill or injure any dog which bears a license tag for the current year.”

So, any citizen is privileged to kill any dog that is in the act of attacking people, or other animals. However, a properly-licensed dog may not be harmed unless it is in the act of attacking. Of course, all the rules of common sense and gun safety still apply and, if you find youself in a position where it is required to use a gun to defend a person or another animal from a vicious dog, you should be aware of the placement of your shots as you still may have liability for bullets that strike other animals, people, or property. If your use of your gun is found to be unreasonable, in that the dog you shot, or shot at, was not in the act of attacking, you will probably face criminal charges and potential civil suits. So, even though dogs are not people, your gun is still considered deadly force and should only be used judiciously and in case of emergencies.

As MCRGO is a Michigan organization, your mileage may vary in other states. Be sure to know your local laws.

Saying that, I freely admit that I need to know mine better than I do.

REVIEW: The Great New Orleans Gun Grab

The Great New Orleans Gun Grab by Gordon Hutchinson and Todd Masson

The Great New Orleans Gun Grab by Gordon Hutchinson and Todd Masson should be a must-read for all gun owners, not only because of the troubling issues it portrays but because it can help get people into the right mind-set for the aftermath of a natural disaster on the scale of Hurricane Katrina.

I knew a lot of what went down in the streets of the flooded city in late summer 2005, but my eyes were bugged as I read this book. Really, events should shock and outrage all Americans, not just gun owners. Anyone who owns a home and anyone who believes in personal liberty should be deeply disturbed by what government officials did (and did not do) during a huge disaster that should not have been completely unexpected.

After the hurricane hit and the levees were breached and overtopped, the city was cast into general chaos. Many people had been unwilling or unable to leave, and without power or assistance they were left to fend for themselves. Some, realizing how things were going to unfold, had a change of heart and decided to make a run for it.

A couple of families banded together, and two women were quite disturbed that one of the men had brought some firearms with him. As they loaded the van they would use for their run for safety, a band of looters approached down the street. The man gave his 12-year-old son, familiar with guns, a rifle.

“Stand here,” he ordered, placing him at the rear of the van. “Guard us.”

He left the boy, the rifle held at port arms across his chest, a young conscript in the Katrina War. He went to the front and out into the Street, checking the situation. He then went back inside.

The van pulled into the street, and three looters ran up, sloshing through the water, surrounding the front of the van, cursing, yelling for everyone to get out. The one on the passenger side stood against the door, pushing his head and upper torso through the window, almost climbing into the front seat. He twisted left to see who was in the van, saw the women in the middle seat. He then looked past them through the rear window, at the boy at the back of the van with the rifle.

His eyes bugged out, he stuttered a second, then blurted: “Is that a real gun?”

The women in the rear seat, new converts to the gun culture, snapped a quick and loud answer: “You bet your ass it’s a real gun!”

They made it out of the city safely.

The book covers a number of people, areas, and situations. LeRoy Hartley and his family rode out the storm, but the days following Katrina were tough and he had his family leave town for safety. He stayed behind with his dog Buster to protect their home from the looters that had already threated them several times.
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Mississippi Shooting Ranges Protected

Governor Barbour Signs Shooting Range Protection Bill


On Monday, April 1, 2008, Governor Haley Barbour (R) signed House Bill 346. Sponsored by State Representative Warner McBride (D-10) and State Senator Walter Michel (R-25), this measure will ensure that Mississippi’s shooting ranges will be protected from local noise and zoning ordinances aimed at shutting them down. It will also guard against lawsuits filed by newcomers who acquire property near an existing range, as long as there has not been a substantial change in the nature of activities at the range (i.e., hours of operation, number of people using the range, or the types of firearms shot at the facility.)

It’s like the folks who buy cheap land next to a thirty-year-old airport, build a house, and then sue because planes keep flying real low near their property.

Connecticut Judge Rules For Gun Club

Group’s Only Pending Argument Fails

Simsbury, Connecticut:

A Superior Court judge has ruled that a group of local residents failed to show that the Metacon Gun Club poses a threat to the environment, eliminating the sole pending allegation of the three lawsuits the group filed four years ago.

“Based on the more credible evidence the court finds that the plaintiff has not met its burden of proof, and therefore finds for the defendant without costs,” Superior Court Judge William T. Cremins said in his decision.

Federal court had already ruled in favor of the gun club in a similar lawsuit.