Cleveland Police Union to the US Constitution: DROP DEAD

Cleveland police union asks for suspension of ‘open carry’ in wake of Baton Rouge, ahead of RNC

Cleveland, Ohio (CNN) — The head of Cleveland’s largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily restrict the state’s open carry gun laws during this week’s Republican National Convention following Sunday’s shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others.

Now, whatever you think of this idea and whether or not additional restrictions around the convention might be in order or if security needs to be stepped up or the National Guard called in or whatever, this bit here should scare the living daylights out of every American:

“I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not at this point,” Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association, told CNN.

You lost me there, jackass.

The head of the Cleveland police union doesn’t care whether or not what he wants to do is constitutional. That means that Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association needs to be removed from office immediately.

He says those open carrying are going to be targeted for tougher inspections.

“I couldn’t care less if it’s legal or not.”

You known how you get people to hate cops, Mr. Loomis? You know how you get people to think about attacking cops? You know how you make people sympathize with those ambushing cops? By not caring about the Constitution, by not caring what’s legal, and by saying so openly.

Holy shit, Murdoc cannot believe that this idiot is saying this to the media.

Murdocs prediction is that his comments inspaire ten times as many open carriers as would have been there.

Oh, and it’s not those open carrying that he should be worried about.

Trying to get Open Carry out of Kroger Grocery

Lansing, Michigan: Group calls for open-carry ban at Frandor Kroger

Eight women, including East Lansing resident Linda Brundage, asked shoppers to shop elsewhere until Kroger prohibits customers from openly carrying guns. Protesters were members of the nationwide Moms Demand Action For Gun Sense in America. Brundage heads the group’s mid-Michigan chapter.

Kroger’s 124 stores and 64 gas stations in Michigan will continue following state law, which does not prohibit open-carry of guns, said Ken McCLure, spokesman for Kroger’s Michigan division. McClure said lawmakers, not retailers, should decide the issue.

Kroger is based in Cincinnati, Ohio.

While looking around, Murdoc noticed this rant from someone named Elisabeth Parker: Kroger Open Carry Gun Nuts Fail To Prevent Yet Another Shooting

Once again, Kroger’s merry band of open carry gun nuts failed to prevent a shooting, this time on Friday at a Kroger in Gwinnett County, Georgia.

Gun nuts argue it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. But where are all those open carry heroes when Kroger needs them?

Do we think Ms. Parker really believes that open carry proponents are somehow responsible to prevent criminals from committing crimes? If only there were a government agency that was tasked with controlling and preventing crime. We could give them badges and guns and very liberal leeway to fight crime.

If Ms. Parker wants a successful criminal shooting to mean the end of open carry in Kroger’s, she also needs it to mean the end of the police. You know, the ones who are actually supposed to prevent crime and protect the citizenry.

But we know she doesn’t mean that.

UPDATE: Also see Grocery Shopping on GunProPlus.

Stun Guns in the Wolverine State

Somehow I missed this:

Michigan Court of Appeals Strikes Down Stun Gun Ban, Says Second Amendment Applies to Open Carry in Public

I think this is correct. But Murdoc is more interested in HOW they reached that decision, especially:

The Second Amendment applies not just to firearms but to other weapons as well. “[The state] argues that Heller is strictly a gun control case, but the broad nature of the language used in Heller’s definition of arms clearly covers more than just firearms.”

I just had this discussion a few days ago. The Second Amendment is a legal guarantee that citizens can keep and bear ARMS. Arms are a lot more than guns.

Via Say Uncle.


Visitors can carry guns openly in Virginia parks

A long-standing prohibition on openly carrying guns in Virginia state parks is set to officially end Monday, a victory for gun rights advocates after a protracted political battle that spanned four administrations.

More than a year in the making, the state code is being changed after Gov. Bob McDonnell in January 2011 ordered the Department of Conservation and Recreation to stop enforcing the regulation banning guns from parks…

People 18 and older in Virginia who can legally own a gun can carry one openly in the state without a permit, as long as it’s visible and holstered. But they were not allowed to bring a gun into a state park. Repealing that regulation affects a significantly larger swath of the gun-owning population because there are far more legal gun owners than concealed-carry permit holders.

Via Instapundit.

OC Contacts

At 8 tips on contacts with ‘open carry’ citizens

Here’s a nugget:

As with concealed carry, there seems to be a lot of hypothetical rhetoric in regards to threat situations of “what could happen?” versus “what does history show us has happened?” Is there a heightened state of criminal activity associated with open carry versus concealed carry versus no carry (other than the obvious firearms violation for school zone or whatnot)?

The answer appears to be “not really.” Regardless of opinions or beliefs, there is not a spike in criminal activity associated with merely carrying a firearm. The same is true of concealed carry. It is always the intent of the person, not the firearm, that matters.

And the writer then goes on to list eight practical tips and strategies to use when officers encounter individuals who are open carrying. Followed by a sensible side-note to citizens who OC.

One thing I take issue with is tip #2:

Understand that — as with any belief that people feel strongly about — open carry is a form of political protest.

Well, it MIGHT be a form of political protest. But it might just be someone doing what he or she is allowed to do. Black voters going to the polls in Alabama are not people making a political protest.

All in all, though, a good article.

OC coming to Florida

Florida’s ‘open carry’ gun bill clears another hurdle

The House Criminal Justice Subcommittee voted 10-3 for the proposal by Rep. Chris Dorworth, R-Lake Mary, over the objections of law-enforcement lobbyists and representatives of retail merchants. Dorworth said his bill is only intended to protect licensed concealed-weapons carriers who inadvertently show their weapons.

Marion Hammer, the veteran lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, said there have been several prosecutions of law-abiding gun owners for “brandishing” their weapons by accidentally letting them show in public.

Seems like some people don’t know what “brandishing” means. Or are just idiots.